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Which party will control Congress? Three experts weigh in.
5 Kas 202230 min<p><em>This episode is part of a special series from </em><a href="https://apple.news/TteGvEYvpSiyvqUON1PSdHg?subscribe=1"><em>Apple News Today</em></a><em> exploring the lead-up to the 2022 midterm elections.</em></p> <p>Which party will control Congress? What are the most crucial races to watch? What do voters say they want? Apple News editor Gideon Resnick put these questions and more to a panel of election watchers: Amy Walter, the editor-in-chief of the <em>Cook Political Report</em>, Errin Haines, the editor-at-large for the <em>19th</em>, and Mike Madrid, a GOP consultant and co-host of the <em>Latino Vote</em> podcast.</p>

Something is deeply broken in American news. Can it be fixed?
29 Eki 202227 min<p>A recent study by the Reuters Institute found that only 29% of Americans say they trust the news most of the time. Where has the press gone wrong — and how can it change to better serve the public? Longtime media critic Margaret Sullivan explores these questions in her new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/newsroom-confidential/id1608915488" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Newsroom Confidential: Lessons (and Worries) From an Ink-Stained Life</em></a>. Below are excerpts from her interview with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu.</p>

What happened to Mahsa Amini: Inside Iran’s extraordinary uprising
22 Eki 202233 min<p>In September, 22-year-old Mahsa Amini was visiting Tehran when she was arrested by the country’s morality police for improperly wearing her hijab. She died while in custody. Since then, anti-government demonstrators — many of them women — have taken to the streets in cities across the country and around the world to demand more freedom and civil liberties in Iran. Pardis Mahdavi is a scholar of feminist movements in the country. In her interview with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a><em> </em>host Shumita Basu, she provides context for these demonstrations and the possible changes they could bring. Below are excerpts from the episode.</p>

What will happen if Trump returns to the White House? This book offers clues.
15 Eki 202233 min<p>Many books have been written about Donald Trump’s presidency. But one stands out from the rest. It’s called <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-divider/id1601350040"><em>The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017–2021</em></a>, and it’s by <em>New York Times</em> journalist Peter Baker and <em>New Yorker</em> writer Susan Glasser. The husband-and-wife coauthors exhaustively cataloged Trump’s four years in office and interviewed more than 300 people, including Trump, for the book. They spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu about their reporting.</p>

Does the TSA actually keep anyone safe?
8 Eki 202228 min<p>After 9/11, the U.S. spent billions of dollars establishing the Transportation Security Administration. After more than 20 years of pat-downs, barefoot X-rays, and so-called random screenings, evidence shows that the TSA has played almost no role in foiling terrorist plots. Journalist Darryl Campbell recently wrote for <a href="https://apple.news/Ay41pxH6-TDyDfwJPG3_Xzw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>The Verge</em></a> about the agency’s history. He spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu about the state of airport security today and what a better system could look like.</p>

Inside Nina Totenberg’s Supreme Court career — and powerful friendship with RBG
1 Eki 202229 min<p>During her long career covering the Supreme Court, journalist Nina Totenberg cultivated friendships with many justices, including Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Antonin Scalia. Totenberg spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw'"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a> host Shumita Basu about how she maintained journalistic integrity while cultivating those relationships, what she thinks about the court today, and her new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/dinners-with-ruth/id1609976626"><strong><em>Dinners With Ruth: A Memoir on the Power of Friendships</em></strong></a>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>

How the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders transformed sports
24 Eyl 202232 min<p>The Dallas Cowboys may be “America’s Team,” but the hundreds of women behind the Cowboys Cheerleaders deserve a lot of credit for its success. Journalist Sarah Hepola tells their story in an article for <em>Texas Monthly</em>, <a href="https://apple.news/Acp1O0Z1FQ-ilYuX4TLXlaw"><strong>“Sex, Scandal, and Sisterhood: Fifty Years of the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders,”</strong></a> and in the podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/americas-girls/id1597678826"><strong><em>America’s Girls</em></strong></a>. Hepola spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a><em> </em>host Shumita Basu about how the squad’s choreography, costumes, and controversial codes of conduct have changed with American society.</p>

How America bungled COVID school closures — and failed to put children first
17 Eyl 202224 min<p>Schools across the U.S. closed their doors for 58 weeks during the pandemic. Journalist Anya Kamenetz writes about the ripple effects of school closures in her new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-stolen-year/id1598860475" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>The Stolen Year: How COVID Changed Children’s Lives, and Where We Go Now</em></a>. Kamenetz spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu about the consequences of our failure to prioritize kids.</p>

Think Again: How to master the art of doing nothing
10 Eyl 202219 min<p><em>This interview is part of a new series from </em><a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1">Apple News In Conversation</a><em> called </em>Think Again<em> — a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em></p> <p>In this episode,<em> In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu talks with Jenny Odell, an artist and the author of the book <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/how-to-do-nothing/id1412494317"><em>How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy</em></a>. Odell provides strategies for training our attention away from devices and toward the world.</p>

Think Again: Why Americans are so burned out — and how to fix your work-life balance
3 Eyl 202225 min<p><em>This is an episode from our archives. It’s re-airing as part of our new series, </em>Think Again<em>, a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more.</em><br /><br />How’s your relationship to your job? For a lot of people, work-life balance has felt far from perfect for a while. <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu speaks with Anne Helen Petersen about her book <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/out-of-office/id1542798259" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Out of Office: The Big Problem and Bigger Promise of Working From Home</em></a>, coauthored with Charlie Warzel. It’s all about how we can adjust the role our jobs play in our lives and focus more time and energy on the things we care about the most. Below are excerpts from the interview.</p>

Think Again: The health and wellness myths almost everyone falls for
27 Ağu 202229 min<p><em>This interview is part of a new series from </em><a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apple News In Conversation</a><em> called </em>Think Again —<em> a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more.</em></p> <p>In this episode, <em>In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu talks with Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes, hosts of the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintenance-phase/id1535408667" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Maintenance Phase</em></a> podcast, about how to outsmart the wellness industry, spot junk health science, and find information that will actually help you live healthier. Below are excerpts from the interview.</p>

Think Again: Why relationships fall apart over dirty dishes — and how to avoid the trap
20 Ağu 202235 min<p><em>This interview is part of a new series from </em><a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1">Apple News In Conversation</a><em> called </em>Think Again<em> — a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em></p> <p>In this episode,<em> In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu talks with Kate Mangino, a gender expert and the author of the book <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/equal-partners/id1584661471"><em>Equal Partners: Improving Gender Equality at Home</em></a>. Mangino points to research that shows women still take on the majority of household responsibilities in different-sex relationships — and she argues there’s a better way for partners to balance the mental and physical labor of running a home. Mangino offers strategies to bring more equity and fairness into our partnerships. Below are excerpts from the interview.</p>

Think Again: Malcolm Gladwell’s tips for changing a stubborn mind
13 Ağu 202226 min<p><em>Think Again</em> is a new series from <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a>. It’s a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more. In the first episode, <em>In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu talks with Malcolm Gladwell about how to be more open-minded and rethink old ideas.</p>

What it took to bring down R. Kelly
6 Ağu 202220 min<p>For decades, R. Kelly’s career flourished despite disturbing rumors of sexual assault. Now the singer is finally being held accountable. He was sentenced in June to 30 years in prison for sex trafficking and racketeering, and a second federal trial starts August 15. <a href="https://apple.news/AZ6oAY0TcTdmHhmO48cUCVQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with journalist Jim DeRogatis, who broke the allegations against R. Kelly in 2000.</p>

Inside the dark corners of the internet that breed mass shooters
30 Tem 202225 min<p>There’s a common thread between the suspects behind the killing of 23 people at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, the mass shooting in Buffalo in May, and the attack on a crowd in Highland Park on Independence Day: They were all radicalized online and left behind a trail of digital activity. NBC News reporter Ben Collins spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu about how online spaces are leading to extremism and producing a generation of mass shooters. Below are excerpts from the interview.</p>

Why air travel is such a mess — and what to know before your next flight
23 Tem 202226 min<p>This was supposed to be the summer of revenge travel. Instead, air travelers have faced long lines, lost bags, and canceled flights. Scott McCartney has been covering the airline industry for more than two decades. He spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu about how things got so bad — and what can we do about it. Below are excerpts from the interview.</p>

Her son was briefly out of sight during a picnic. She was arrested for child abuse
16 Tem 202222 min<p>Every year, hundreds of thousands of children in the U.S. are removed from their homes and placed in foster care by child-protective services. But is this the best way to protect our kids? <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw">Apple News In Conversation</a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Dorothy Roberts, author of the book ‘<a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/torn-apart/id1579280807">Torn Apart</a>,’ who argues that America’s child-welfare system does more harm than good — and needs to be abolished.</p>

Why the news is so broken, according to one of the first journalists to cover Trump’s campaign
9 Tem 202227 min<p>Katy Tur’s parents were trailblazers in the journalism world. In the ’80s and ’90s, they revolutionized the breaking-news model, literally flying over the competition in their own chopper to capture Los Angeles’s biggest stories — from Madonna and Sean Penn’s wedding to the 1992 L.A. riots. Katy Tur grew up to be a journalist herself — she’s now an anchor on MSNBC — and she writes about her life in her new memoir, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/rough-draft/id1551656569"><em>Rough Draft</em></a>. In an interview with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple New In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu, Tur discusses her unusual childhood and the direct line from the model of journalism her parents created to the rise of Donald Trump.</p>

Rebroadcast: Nikole Hannah-Jones on the 1619 Project and how the legacy of slavery shapes America
2 Tem 202225 min<p><em>This is an episode from our archives.</em><br /> <br /> Nikole Hannah-Jones is a Pulitzer Prize–winning reporter for the <em>New York Times Magazine</em> and the creator of the 1619 Project. The initiative reframes America’s past around an important date that isn’t mentioned in many history books: 1619, the beginning of slavery in the U.S. Hannah-Jones has expanded on the idea and turned it into a book called <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-1619-project/id1556566008"><em>The 1619 Project: A New Origin Story</em></a><em>.</em> Below are excerpts from <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu’s interview with Hannah-Jones about the project.</p>

She had an illegal abortion in 1970 — and was charged with manslaughter
25 Haz 202224 min<p>In 1971, Shirley Wheeler became the first woman to be criminally charged for having an abortion. She was convicted of manslaughter and faced up to 20 years in prison. In the latest season of the podcast <strong data-stringify-type="bold"><em data-stringify-type="italic"><a class="c-link" tabindex="-1" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/slow-burn/id1315040130?i=1000564733822" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-stringify-link="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/slow-burn/id1315040130?i=1000564733822" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">Slow Burn</a></em></strong>, host Susan Matthews explores what happened to Wheeler in the years leading up to the <em data-stringify-type="italic">Roe</em> v. <em data-stringify-type="italic">Wade</em> decision. <strong data-stringify-type="bold"><em data-stringify-type="italic"><a class="c-link" tabindex="-1" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-stringify-link="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">Apple News In Conversation</a></em></strong> host Shumita Basu spoke with Matthews about Wheeler’s story — and why Wheeler’s case is a warning of what’s to come after the recent overturning of <em data-stringify-type="italic">Roe</em>.</p>

There’s a science to happiness. This Ivy League professor has cracked the code.
18 Haz 202228 min<p>At Yale University, psychology professor Laurie Santos saw firsthand how so many college students were anxious or depressed. So she decided to teach a class on the science of happiness — and how to apply it in real life. It became the school’s most popular course ever. <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Santos about her podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-happiness-lab-with-dr-laurie-santos/id1474245040"><strong><em>The Happiness Lab</em></strong></a>, and the evidence-based strategies that can help us improve our lives and outlook.</p>

Are political insiders looking for a Biden backup plan?
11 Haz 202228 min<p>Though he has yet to officially announce, President Biden has made it clear he’ll seek reelection in 2024. But given his age and approval ratings, a lot of Democrats are asking, “What’s the backup plan?” National correspondent for <a href="https://apple.news/A1p_jOFvNQqy3GMxoaZw15g"><em>New York</em></a> magazine Gabriel Debenedetti spoke with Washington insiders about the lead-up to the next presidential election. <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Debenedetti about his reporting.</p>

Why child suicide is on the rise
4 Haz 202231 min<p>In April 2021, twelve-year-old Trevor Matthews took his own life. Andrew Solomon, a writer and clinical medical psychology professor, knew Matthews as the friend and former classmate of Solomon’s son, George. For the <a href="https://apple.news/AtqbzzXpiSJuCNHiUTMZ-qA"><em>New Yorker</em></a>, Solomon writes about the alarmingly high rate of youth suicide, why it's on the rise, and why it’s so difficult to prevent. <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Solomon about this issue.</p> <p> </p> <p><em>This episode is about suicide — and includes references to sexual abuse. If you or someone you know is thinking about suicide, please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-talk (8255) or text talk to 741741.</em></p>

The school shooting generation
28 May 202220 min<p>In light of the recent shooting at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, we’re bringing you an episode from our archives. In 1998, a student opened fire at a middle-school dance, killing one teacher and wounding another teacher and two students. Journalist Marin Cogan was a sixth grader there, and she recalls the shock and horror she and her classmates felt. Back then, school shootings were far more rare; kids and educators didn’t have the language or the tools to talk about — much less process — their trauma. </p><p>For <a href="https://apple.news/ABOM0tG6MQqOWwwQxylcytg”><em>Vox</em></a>, Cogan connected with survivors of other school shootings that took place in the 1990s. She spoke with former <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw”><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Duarte Geraldino about coming of age in a world wholly unprepared to deal with the aftermath of mass school shootings.</p>

The anatomy of Trump’s Big Lie
21 May 202223 min<p>In November 2020, a group of Trump allies gathered together to try to prove the election had been stolen. The only problem: there was no evidence to support any of their claims. <a href="https://apple.news/Ap1vkEbYWQo-8hgNlzNNLYA"><em>ProPublica</em></a>’s Doug Bock Clark reviewed internal documents and interviewed key participants in this effort to reveal how small untruths snowballed into Trump’s Big Lie. <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Clark about his findings.</p>

What Queen Elizabeth is really like
14 May 202230 min<p class="p1"><span class="s1">This year’s Platinum Jubilee marks Queen Elizabeth’s 70-year anniversary on the throne. Journalist Tina Brown has been covering the Crown for decades, and in her latest book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-palace-papers/id1587270718"><span class="s2"><strong><em>The Palace Papers: Inside the House of Windsor — Truth and Turmoil</em></strong></span></a>, she chronicles the British royal family’s struggle to reinvent itself after the Diana years. Below are excerpts from <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><span class="s2"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></span></a> host Shumita Basu’s interview with Brown.</span></p>

How the abortion news threatens the Supreme Court’s credibility
7 May 202230 min<p>A leaked draft opinion on a Mississippi abortion law suggests that the Supreme Court is ready to overturn <em>Roe</em> v. <em>Wade</em>, a nearly 50-year precedent that protects abortion as a federally guaranteed right. This comes at a time when the Supreme Court is already facing a lot of scrutiny. <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu talks with <a href="https://apple.news/A1dovQr2LRzCwfWd5_NcyJA"><em>Slate</em></a> writer and veteran court watcher Dahlia Lithwick about what this leaked opinion means for the future of abortion — and the future of the court itself.</p>

The people who got rich off the pandemic
30 Nis 202221 min<p>When COVID-19 hit the United States, some saw it as an opportunity to make a fortune. Individuals and companies with no experience in the production of personal protective equipment made wild claims about what they could provide — and were awarded lucrative government contracts. They never delivered on their promises. <em>ProPublica </em>reporter David McSwane dives into this world of fraudsters and opportunists who profited off of COVID-19 in his new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/pandemic-inc/id1583587166"><strong><em>Pandemic, Inc.</em></strong></a></p>

The network of activists preparing for a post-Roe future
23 Nis 202222 min<p>The Supreme Court will soon announce a decision that could substantially weaken or even overturn<em> Roe </em>v. <em>Wade</em>. Jessica Bruder recently wrote for the <a href="https://apple.news/A8tch7BXORZu_mk7SH7BIYw"><strong><em>Atlantic</em></strong></a> about the many groups of activists helping women get access to abortion, even if they have to work around the law. Bruder spoke with <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a> host Duarte Geraldino about how this network first formed and the ways activists are laying the groundwork for a country without Roe.</p>

She thought she knew her family — until she took a DNA test
16 Nis 202227 min<p>When Amber van Moessner was growing up, she never questioned whether the man who raised her was her biological father. But when she was in her late 20s, she took a 23andMe genetic test and discovered that she was conceived via a sperm donor. Van Moessner’s story kicks off the podcast series <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/biohacked-family-secrets/id1607121653"><em>BioHacked: Family Secrets</em></a>, hosted by T.J. Raphael. Hear Shumita Basu’s interview with Raphael and van Moessner about the donor-conception industry.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>