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Marriage, murder, betrayal: the true story behind ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’
Oct 26, 202325 min<p>After striking oil on their reservation, members of the Osage Nation became some of the richest people in the world in the 1920s. Then white Oklahomans began killing them for their wealth in a sinister and elaborate plot. These events are detailed by David Grann in his book <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/killers-of-the-flower-moon/id1092942258" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Killers of the Flower Moon</em></a>, which has recently adapted into a Martin Scorsese–directed movie for Apple TV+. <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Grann and Osage Nation Principal Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear, a consultant on the film, about bringing this history to the big screen.</p>

The realities of living in the Palestinian territories
Oct 19, 202329 min<p><em>Warning: This episode describes graphic content, including the death of children.<br />The following interview is about the experiences of Palestinians living in the occupied West Bank and mostly focuses on events that took place before the latest escalation of violence in Israel and Gaza. It looks at one particular perspective and does not aim to capture all of the complexities of the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict.<br />If you’d like to hear more of our coverage on the Israel-Hamas war, check out our daily news podcast, </em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-today/id1473872585" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apple News Today</a>,<em> and last week’s episode of </em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053?i=1000631257214" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apple News In Conversation</a>.<br />A winding drive along the tall separation wall. An agonizing wait at the checkpoint. An identification card that only allows access to some hospitals. These are the obstacles that kept Abed Salama from reaching his 5-year-old son after a bus accident in 2012. On this week’s episode of <em>Apple News In Conversation</em>, host Shumita Basu talks to Nathan Thrall, author of <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/a-day-in-the-life-of-abed-salama/id6446252041" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>A Day in the Life of Abed Salama: Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy</em></a>, about what life is like for Palestinians in the West Bank. Listen to the full interview on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053?i=1000631939883" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apple Podcasts</a>.</p>

A guide to help you understand the Israel-Hamas war
Oct 13, 202319 min<p>The news coming out of Israel and Gaza this week has been fast-moving and devastating. It’s always hard, during a rapidly-changing news event, to know where to find accurate, contextualized information. It’s especially challenging in this particular war, where the history of conflict is so long, complicated, and emotionally-charged. For this week’s episode of <em>Apple News In Conversation</em>, we’ve compiled some of the best reads and listens to help you follow what’s happening today.</p> <p>An Israeli journalist speaks with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/were-going-to-die-here/id1258635512?i=1000630889936"><em>Radio Atlantic</em></a> about how his family survived when Hamas attacked their community.</p> <p><a href="https://apple.news/ADDqdqgjyQsSiGPPM_rbLNw">Fox News</a> reporter Trey Yingst takes cover from a Hamas rocket attack during a live report.</p> <p>On <a href="https://apple.news/A5xQ0_6o-SYKPAil8IlK25Q">Channel 4 News</a>, a filmmaker shows life inside Gaza: “It feels like the world is collapsing.”</p> <p>Journalist Maram Humaid documents the bombardment and the sleepless nights in Gaza with a daily diary on <a href="https://apple.news/AZA8E5Tk_Qq-cnOazQKfNlA">Al Jazeera</a>.</p> <p>The <a href="https://apple.news/AtMcLTMGhSuSnLA260JxyVA">Washington Post</a> shares a timeline of the big turning points and lesser-known moments in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.</p> <p>Historian Rashid Khalidi talks about the origins of this conflict on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/palestine/id1451109634?i=1000523361687"><em>Throughline</em></a>.</p> <p><a href="https://apple.news/AfZB9QCJ9RlqccorDvMXUTQ">Vox</a> offers an explainer on the militant group Hamas.</p> <p>The Hamas attack was launched from the Gaza Strip. <a href="https://apple.news/ABICMgCbxRL-20IUVbR9DuA">NBC</a> breaks down what you need to know about this area between Israel and Egypt.</p> <p>Wall Street Journal correspondent Dov Lieber talks about how Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has shaped this conflict on the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wsj-whats-news/id152016440?i=1000631074173"><em>What’s News</em></a> podcast.</p> <p><a href="https://apple.news/AUl3ksf3CQPaS2HEFJavaOQ"><em>The New Yorker</em></a>’s David Remnick writes about the grief and rage felt by people on both sides of the Israel-Gaza border.</p> <p>The <a href="https://apple.news/A10Fs9qMFSTG9wTPYEQO-iQ">Washington Post</a> explores why our brains believe lies.</p> <p><a href="https://apple.news/AeB9t5mS9T42ZOmjYoLwyIg">Poynter</a> explains how to avoid false information on social media about the war.</p>

America loves the AR-15. Here’s how that happened.
Oct 5, 202337 min<p>In the United States, AR-15s grace bumper stickers, mugs, and politicians’ Christmas cards. They’re also the weapon used in some of the deadliest mass shootings in modern American history. <em>Wall Street Journal</em> reporters Cameron McWhirter and Zusha Elinson trace the rifle’s rise in their new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/american-gun/id6445178070"><strong><em>American Gun: The True Story of the AR-15</em></strong></a>. They spoke with <em>Apple News In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu about how this weapon became a symbol of both gun rights and horrific tragedies.</p>

The secret to finding joy in running
Sep 28, 202325 min<p>Martinus Evans did not have an easy start to running. Weighing over 300 pounds, he set out to finish a marathon after a doctor told him to “lose weight or die.” He writes about his running journey in his new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/slow-af-run-club/id6443367648" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Slow AF Run Club: The Ultimate Guide for Anyone Who Wants to Run</em></a>. In this week’s episode of <em>Apple News In Conversation</em>, Evans talks with host Shumita Basu about the lessons he’s learned from being a “back-of-the-packer.”</p>

Elon Musk’s biographer on two years of shadowing the tech billionaire
Sep 21, 202332 min<p>Walter Isaacson, author of the new biography <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/elon-musk/id6445774227" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Elon Musk</strong></em></a><em>,</em> spent two years following the world’s richest man in an effort to understand what drives him. Isaacson joins <em>Apple News In Conversation</em> host Shumita Basu to explain what he learned about Musk’s reach and power, how his childhood shaped him, and why he has weekly meetings about colonizing Mars.</p>

Why so many American kids are struggling to learn how to read — and how to fix that
Sep 14, 202320 min<p>America has long struggled with how best to teach kids to read. But a new approach, called the science of reading, is gaining steam — and it’s proving successful. At the same time, many classrooms haven’t caught up to it, and some students are being left behind. In the latest episode of <em>Apple News In Conversation</em>, host Shumita Basu talks to Karen D’Souza, a reporter for <a href="https://apple.news/AKtZYm2QjQt2tvARh96ccFw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>EdSource</em></a>, about how our understanding of literacy has evolved over time, and what educators, parents, and lawmakers are doing to better prepare young readers.</p>

Her family had always kept her aunt a secret. She set out to uncover the truth.
Sep 7, 202328 min<p>Growing up, Jennifer Senior thought her mom was an only child. But when she was 12 years old, she learned her mom had a sister, named Adele, who was institutionalized as a baby. Adele had spent almost her entire life separated from her family. Decades later, in 2021, Senior reconnected with her aunt and uncovered the dark history of institutionalizing children with intellectual disabilities. Senior wrote about her aunt’s story in the <a href="https://apple.news/AOhyVHf7YT46EVdIY63FbPw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Atlantic</em></a> and spoke with <em>Apple News In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu about her experience.</p>

Think Again: The signs that you’re ready to retire
Aug 31, 202331 min<p>When longtime LA Times columnist Steve Lopez reached his mid-60s, he started to think about retiring. But he wasn’t sure how to go about it — or if he should do it all. He gave himself one year to decide and spoke with many different people — Norman Lear and Mel Brooks, among others — about their thoughts on retirement. He wrote a book about his journey, called <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/independence-day/id1599215168"><em>Independence Day: What I Learned About Retirement From Some Who’ve Done It and Some Who Never Will</em></a>. Lopez’s conversation from earlier this year with <em>Apple News In Conversation</em> host Shumita Basu wraps up this summer’s <a href="https://apple.news/A2n1iBsW5T-6q-2wdwIGd_g"><em>Think Again</em></a> series.</p>

Think Again: What losing family taught Anderson Cooper about grief and gratitude
Aug 24, 202334 min<p>Anderson Cooper is now the only living member of the family he grew up with. When he was 10 years old, his father died of a heart attack. His brother died by suicide about a decade later. And in 2019, his mother died at the age of 95. It’s only recently that Cooper has been able to talk about and process these deaths. For<em> Apple News In Conversation</em>’s <em>Think Again </em>series, he spoke with host Shumita Basu about what he’s learned by talking to people about death and grief on his podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-there-is-with-anderson-cooper/id1643163707" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>All There Is</em></a> — and the advice he has for those who are struggling with loss.</p>

Think Again: Why people lose themselves in parenthood — and how to reclaim your sense of self
Aug 17, 202330 min<p>You’ve prepped the nursery, read all the books, and are eagerly waiting to meet the new member of your family. But are you also ready to meet the new version of yourself? For <em>Apple News In Conversation</em>’s <em>Think Again</em> series, host Shumita Basu talks to Jessica Grose, author of <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/screaming-on-the-inside/id1610113142" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Screaming on the Inside: The Unsustainability of American Motherhood</em></a>, about the ways parenthood can change you, the lack of societal support for this seismic life shift, and how reconnecting with your sense of self can help you navigate it.</p>

Think Again: The most confusing years of your life — and strategies to get through them
Aug 10, 202325 min<p>Early adulthood can be a particularly confusing and unsettling phase of life. You’re figuring out how to get a job, pay rent, and plan meals. At the same time, you’re also determining your values and the kind of person you want to be. It can feel like being pulled down two completely opposite life paths. In the latest episode of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a>’s <em>Think Again</em> series, host Shumita Basu talks to psychotherapist Satya Doyle Byock about how to balance the tugs of purpose and survival during the period she calls “quarterlife.” She’s even written a book on it, called, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/quarterlife/id1592218477"><em>Quarterlife: The Search for Self in Early Adulthood</em></a>.</p>

Think Again: Your brain is hardwired to resist change. Here’s how to retrain it.
Aug 3, 202329 min<p>Transitions can feel intimidating and destabilizing. But these moments can also be opportunities for growth, reflection, and self-discovery — especially when you have the right tools. In the first episode of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a>’s monthlong ‘Think Again’ series, host Shumita Basu talks to <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-brain/id1028908750"><em>Hidden Brain</em></a>'s Shankar Vedantam about why pivot points can feel so challenging and how to embrace them as opportunities, rather than obstacles.</p>

Sneak Peek: Life’s big transitions, reimagined
Aug 1, 20233 minApple News In Conversation is coming out with our monthlong ‘Think Again’ series, where we rethink deeply held notions and common experiences. This year, we’re diving into some of life’s big pivot points — from early adulthood to parenthood to retirement — to explore ways to move into these new chapters with greater ease and clarity. This is a series preview. Check back for the first episode later this week.

The dangers of extreme heat — for our health and our planet
Jul 27, 202333 min<p>July is on track to be the hottest month ever recorded on Earth. Millions of people in the U.S. are living in areas with dangerous levels of heat — and a growing death toll. In a new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-heat-will-kill-you-first/id6444250725" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>The Heat Will Kill You First</em></a>, reporter Jeff Goodell warns that heat is pushing us into a new climate era, with dire implications for individuals, society, and our planet. Goodell spoke with <em>Apple News In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu about the changes we need to make today and the reasons he still has hope for the future.</p>

Rebecca Lowe can’t believe how far women’s soccer has come
Jul 20, 202323 min<p>The Women’s World Cup is underway. With 32 nations fielding teams, it’s the biggest tournament yet. Rebecca Lowe, host of Apple News’s unofficial World Cup podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/after-the-whistle-with-brendan-hunt-and-rebecca-lowe/id1654074926" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>After the Whistle</em></a>, and NBC Sports’ Premier League coverage, offers her predictions and reflects on the success and incredible growth of women’s soccer over her lifetime. Plus, she gives her take on Lionel Messi’s move to Major League Soccer.</p>

Tom Hanks on what it takes to make a movie
Jul 13, 202320 min<p>Tom Hanks has learned a thing or two about moviemaking during his decades-long career. Ultimately, he says, it’s not about one person’s vision or direction; it’s about the countless people behind the camera — and a few in front of it — who make a movie possible. That’s the foundational idea behind his debut novel, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-making-of-another-major-motion-picture-masterpiece/id6443397015" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>The Making of Another Major Motion Picture Masterpiece</em></a>. Hanks spoke to <em>Apple News In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu before SAG-AFTRA, the union that represents actors, decided to strike. But his book and their conversation are a reminder of all that goes into creating the entertainment many of us take for granted.</p>

Playing Dwight on ‘The Office’ didn’t make Rainn Wilson happy. Here’s how he’s seeking real joy.
Jul 6, 202333 min<p>Rainn Wilson understands why so many people are rejecting religion today. But he argues that the core aspects of faith still have something important to offer us. Spirituality has brought him community, purpose, and levity — even as he’s struggled with depression, anxiety, and addiction. The actor explores these themes in his new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/soul-boom/id6443263420"><strong><em>Soul Boom: Why We Need a Spiritual Revolution</em></strong></a>, and TV show, <a href="https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/rainn-wilson-and-the-geography-of-bliss"><strong><em>Rainn Wilson and the Geography of Bliss</em></strong></a>. Wilson shared what he's learned with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a> host Shumita Basu.</p>

Rebroadcast: The real problem with elite-college admissions
Jun 29, 202324 min<p><em>This is an episode from our archives.</em></p> <p>This week the Supreme Court put an end to affirmative action in college admissions, meaning universities can no longer consider race as a factor when accepting a new class of students. The ruling is expected to have pretty big repercussions for schools and students. But Evan Mandery, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says we’re talking about the wrong issue. In his book <a href="https://apple.news/ANT7zMyUpTxiGvKjQoSf4Kw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Poison Ivy: How Elite Colleges Divide Us</strong></em></a>, Mandery explains how top schools disproportionately favor wealthy white students — and why that’s dangerous.</p>

Enduring advice for this year’s graduating class (and nongraduates too)
Jun 22, 202319 min<p>At their worst, graduation speeches are boring, trite, and pedantic. But at their best, they’re touching meditations on what it means to live a purposeful, fulfilling life. On this week’s episode of <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a>, host Shumita Basu speaks with commencement-speech connoisseur Cristina Negrut, who has read hundreds of speeches and cataloged many on the website <a href="http://bestgraduationspeeches.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Best Graduation Speeches</a>.</p>

Writer Samantha Irby makes the case for enjoying frivolous things
Jun 15, 202337 min<p>Samantha Irby is many things: blogger; essayist; and writer for shows like <em>Shrill</em>, <em>And Just Like That …</em>, and <em>Work in Progress</em>. Above all, she is a master of transforming seemingly mundane moments of everyday life into high comedy. Irby sat down with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Apple News In Conversation</strong></em></a> host Shumita Basu to talk about her new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/quietly-hostile/id6443288130" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Quietly Hostile</strong></em></a>, her writing process, turning herself into a TV character, and why frivolous things matter.</p>

His father was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. He went looking for answers.
Jun 8, 202335 min<p>Around 2013, author and cardiologist Sandeep Jauhar started noticing some worrying changes in his father. He would forget the code to their safe; he couldn’t remember what he did the day before and would get lost driving home. Eventually, his father was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease. In his new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/my-fathers-brain/id1623194942" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>My Father’s Brain: Life in the Shadow of Alzheimer’s</em></a>, Jauhar chronicles the challenges of caring for a sick parent and explains where medicine is today when it comes to treatment for this incurable illness.</p>

What you should know before buying an EV
Jun 1, 202326 min<p>Electric vehicles may be better for the planet in a lot of ways, but there are huge, often-unseen environmental and human costs associated with harvesting the minerals needed to make EV batteries. On the latest episode of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a>, host Shumita Basu spoke with <em>Washington Post</em> reporters Rebecca Tan and Evan Halper about the paper’s series “<a href="https://apple.news/A8KjkNgNRRR-GyEJvSzq_Yw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Clean Cars, Hidden Tolls</a>.”</p>

Rebroadcast: Malcolm Gladwell on why changing your mind can be so difficult
May 25, 202327 min<p>This is an interview from our archives. It’s part of a series called Think Again, a guide to reimagining work, home, relationships, and more<em data-stringify-type="italic">. </em>In this episode, <em data-stringify-type="italic"><a class="c-link" href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-stringify-link="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1" data-sk="tooltip_parent">Apple News In Conversation</a></em><em data-stringify-type="italic"> </em>host Shumita Basu talks with best-selling author Malcolm Gladwell about how to be more open-minded and rethink old ideas.</p>

How unreported gifts and luxury travel are harming the Supreme Court’s legitimacy
May 18, 202334 min<p>Recent allegations of ethical violations have reignited a debate about establishing an enforceable code of conduct for Supreme Court justices. University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck argues the latest revelations concerning several justices speak to a much larger breakdown in the way the court operates today. He writes about this in his new book, <em data-stringify-type="italic"><a class="c-link" href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-shadow-docket/id6443359785" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-stringify-link="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-shadow-docket/id6443359785" data-sk="tooltip_parent" aria-describedby="sk-tooltip-449">The Shadow Docket: How the Supreme Court Uses Stealth Rulings to Amass Power and Undermine the Republic</a></em>. Vladeck spoke with<em data-stringify-type="italic"> </em><em data-stringify-type="italic"><a class="c-link" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-stringify-link="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" data-sk="tooltip_parent">Apple News In Conversation</a></em><em data-stringify-type="italic"> </em>host Shumita Basu about the absence of accountability on the court — and how reforming it could lead to a stronger, more trusted institution.</p>

The secrets our government keeps from us — and why
May 11, 202326 min<p>Documents marked “top secret” have been turning up in a lot of unexpected places recently. But America has another problem with classified documents: There’s too many of them. By some estimates, it would take 250 years for these documents to be reviewed and released to the public. On the latest episode of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a>, host Shumita Basu spoke with Matthew Connelly, author of <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-declassification-engine/id1619720682"><strong><em>The Declassification Engine: What History Reveals About America’s Top Secrets</em></strong></a>, about the government’s culture of secrecy.</p>

What makes a murderer? These investigators might have the answer.
May 4, 202321 min<p>Nearly 30 years ago, James Bernard Belcher was sentenced to death for raping, strangling, and drowning 29-year-old Jennifer Embry. Recently, he was given a second chance: a resentencing, this time with new evidence unearthed by a mitigation specialist. These life-history investigators seek to contextualize a defendant’s violent crimes, often by surfacing childhood traumas. On the latest episode of <a href="https://apple.news/T9rjlxm95TtTn3RWUl4SFiw?subscribe=1"><strong><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></strong></a>, host Shumita Basu spoke with Maurice Chammah, a reporter for the <a href="https://apple.news/AuR-aLN3wS82qJi-dqzj-mQ"><strong>Marshall Project</strong></a>, about shadowing one specialist as she excavates Belcher’s past in a bid to spare his life.</p>

What a top couples therapist wishes more people knew
Apr 27, 202328 min<p>The Showtime documentary series <a href="https://www.sho.com/couples-therapy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Couples Therapy</em></a> allows viewers to watch real-life therapy sessions. Couples hash out their conflicts and challenges with Dr. Orna Guralnik as their guide. Guralnik is a psychoanalyst who prompts people to examine their instincts, listen to their partners, and do some deep self-discovery. <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu spoke with Guralnik about her approach to therapy — and her relationship advice.</p>

Why Sienna Miller and Scott Z. Burns made a climate-catastrophe show
Apr 20, 202336 min<p>What would a future look like where climate change has become a truly unavoidable part of all of our daily lives? This is one of the questions the new Apple TV+ show <a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/extrapolations/umc.cmc.4uoqxmxlnipm9zsc88bkjyjx4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Extrapolations</em></a> tries to answer. Series creator Scott Z. Burns was a producer of the 2006 documentary <em>An Inconvenient Truth </em>and the writer behind the eerily prescient 2011 film <em>Contagion</em>, about a global pandemic. Burns, along with one of the stars of the series, Sienna Miller, spoke with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a> host Shumita Basu about the making of <em>Extrapolations</em> — and how dystopian portrayals of the future can mobilize and motivate people to take serious action.</p>

What Fox News insiders are saying as the network faces a landmark trial
Apr 13, 202337 min<p>The Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation case against Fox News is set to begin on April 17. At the core of Dominion’s case are pages of internal messages showing that many people at Fox didn’t believe the election lies they were promoting on the air. On the latest episode of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/apple-news-in-conversation/id1577591053" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Apple News In Conversation</em></a>, host Shumita Basu spoke with Brian Stelter, the former chief media correspondent at CNN who spent years talking to people at Fox, mostly as anonymous sources, about the inner workings of the organization. He’ll also be covering the trial for <em>Vanity Fair</em>. Stelter breaks down the case, what’s at stake, and the potential consequences.</p>