Naomi Klein discusses the dangers of data centres, Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical and why our tech overlords want to be edgelords

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Louis sits down with writer, activist and filmmaker Naomi Klein. They discuss Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical, why data centres are so dangerous, and the tech overlords/edgelords that inspired her latest book, End Times Fascism.     Warnings: Strong language and adult themes.     Links/Attachments:    Book: End Times Fascism, Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor (2026)  https://naomiklein.org/end-times-fascism/     Book: Doppelganger, Naomi Klein (2023)  https://naomiklein.org/doppelganger/     Interview: The full-length interview with Elon Musk, The Economist (2026)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuoqKYxDHVc     Play: The Thing I Am, Steve Bannon (1996-1997)  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/steve-bannon-hip-hop-shakespeare-rewrite-coriolanus.html     Podcast: Bannon’s WarRoom (2019-present)  https://open.spotify.com/show/0WyF2LaTcrpWfrTIeKjs1L     Book: No Logo, Naomi Klein (1999)  https://naomiklein.org/no-logo/    Song: Heart of Glass, Blondie (1979)  https://open.spotify.com/track/4v2rkl1mC3zVAz0nXMx9r4     Documentary: Bowling for Columbine (2002)  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/     Credits:  Producer: Tom Fuller  Senior Assistant Producer: Maisie Ellen Williams   Junior Production Manager: Rosie Pender  Production Executive: Francesca Bassett  Original Music: Miguel D’Oliveira  Video Editor: Scott Edwards  Audio Editor: Tom Guest  Series Producer: Millie Chu  Executive Producer: Arron Fellows    A Mindhouse Studios Production for Spotify.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices