What Safeguarding Nukes Can Teach Us About Safeguarding A.I.

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<p>Last night, President Trump welcomed Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, in a lavish ceremony as he arrived for two days of closely watched negotiations.</p><p>Artificial intelligence — and what, if any, role the countries should play in regulating it as concerns mount about its risks — is expected to be on the agenda.</p><p>David E. Sanger, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, explains how nuclear nonproliferation could be a model for how to protect humanity from technological catastrophe.</p><p>Guest: <strong>David E. Sanger</strong>, the White House and national security correspondent for The New York Times.</p><p>Background reading:&nbsp;</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/09/23/us/trump-xi" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mr. Trump greeted Mr. Xi</a> for a state visit amid tensions.</li><li>Video: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000011159994/trump-and-xi-face-the-ai-race.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mr. Trump and Mr. Xi face the A.I. race</a>.</li><li>Analysis: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/13/us/politics/ai-catastrophe-fears-washington.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">As fears of A.I. catastrophe magnify,</a> Washington stirs, but mostly slumbers.</li></ul><p>Photo: Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times</p> <p><p>For more information on today’s episode, visit <a href="http://nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-thedaily"><strong>nytimes.com/thedaily</strong></a>. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. </p><p> </p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>