Skip to content
How To Handle 4 AM Worry Spirals | Bart van Melik

How To Handle 4 AM Worry Spirals | Bart van Melik

10% Happier with Dan Harris
Jan 25, 2026 22 min
Open in Hinto

About this episode

<p dir="ltr">A conversation with self-described "worry warrior" <a href="https://www.bartvanmelik.com/">Bart van Melik</a> about working skillfully with everyday anxiety.</p> <p dir="ltr">Bart is a guiding teacher at the <a href= "https://www.cmc-ny.org/">Community Meditation Center</a> in New York and our Teacher of the Month for January. In this conversation with executive producer DJ Cashmere, he gets refreshingly honest about his own tendency to worry — and shares a bunch of practical tools for when your mind won't stop spinning through worst-case scenarios.</p> <p dir="ltr">We talk about:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why mindful breathing sometimes doesn't work (and what to do instead)</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The practice phrase "this wants to be seen right now"</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">How to work with your aversion to worrying (which can be worse than the worry itself)</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why talking about your fears with other people is so crucial</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The question "what is this?" as a low-barrier entry point to awareness</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">How the Buddha's teaching on clinging shows up in anxious thinking</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why community and sangha aren't optional extras</p> </li> </ul> <p dir="ltr">If you want more from Bart, check out the <a href= "https://app.danharris.com/membership">10% with Dan Harris app</a> where he's got meditations and live sessions throughout January.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">Get the 10% with Dan Harris app <a href= "https://app.danharris.com/membership">here</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for Dan's free newsletter <a href= "http://www.danharris.com/">here</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Follow Dan on social: <a href= "https://bit.ly/3tGigG5">Instagram</a>, <a href= "https://bit.ly/3FOA84J">TikTok</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Subscribe to our <a href= "https://bit.ly/3FybRzD">YouTube Channel<br /> <br /></a></p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">To advertise on the show, contact sales@advertisecast.com or visit <a href= "https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris">https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris</a></p> <p> </p>

Listen to this episode in English to learn English

Podcast episodes are one of the highest-density ways to absorb English at native pace. How To Handle 4 AM Worry Spirals | Bart van Melik from 10% Happier with Dan Harris gives you natural dialogue, unscripted speech, and vocabulary that actually appears in real conversations.

In the Hinto app, every word in the transcript is tappable. Tap an unknown word, see the translation in your language instantly, and keep listening without breaking flow.

Episodes to Learn English

More podcasts in English